Wednesday, October 11, 2006

//Dil Se Desi// Re: [e-Mela] Re: To Be Or Not To Be : Taslima`s Plea For Indian Citizenship

--- Debesh Dasgupta <debesh_dg@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I thought this was a forum for exchanging cultural
> ideas.
>
> And so TASLIMA should die just because she has
> spoken against the religion.
> Now go with a naked sword against the POPE , as
> you have done for Salman Rushdie. Wîll you ever
> understand why so much of hatred and disgust people
> have for Muslims.
>
> You talk of hindus comitting murders now do you
> understand the context. If educated people like you
> support murdering a literate what can we expect from
> uneducated and illiterate people who dont have any
> ideologies of their own and can be easily twisted.
>
> How can you think of killing someone ?!!!!
>
> Really you are real hypocrite in its true sense.
>
>
>
>
>
> m_musa92870 <m_musa92870@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This is very disturbing to see some of the
> Hindus' overzealousness
> about Taslima Nasreen issue. These same people are
> completely silent
> when a thousand times more gruesome brutalities
> happen to the
> minorities in India. Where is Taslima on this issue?
> May be the
> plight of the Muslim women in India is not her
> concern. May be she is
> too scared to deal with the 'real' truth.
>
> Also to our Hindu friends, are there any writers in
> India who
> regularly bash Hinduism? Any writers who write about
> the Muslim women
> who are regular victims of gruesome rapes? I am
> posting the following
> just to remind us how lies and hypocrisies play a
> major role in our
> life. To remind us what we forget often and what we
> don't see. we are
> too oblivious of the other side.
>
> Once again another Muslim was found guilty of 1993
> Bombay bombings.
> Seven people have been convicted so far in
> connection with the
> blasts, including four members of one family. If we
> look at the
> overall statistics of this incident, the numbers are
> staggering:
>
> 12 blasts
> 257 dead
> 713 injured
> 123 arrested and tried
> 686 witnesses testify
> 35,000 pages of evidence submitted
> 13 years to reach verdict
> -Source BBC News
>
> We have no complain if a person is found guilty in
> connection to the
> above bombing incident or any other bombings that
> created innocent
> human beings under the justice system. We want
> justice to prevail
> whether the convicted is Muslim or Hindu should not
> matter. But the
> disturbing question is why is this double standard
> of justice. When
> the atrocities involve Indian Muslim criminals,
> Indian justice seems
> swift and error proof. But when it involves Hindu
> criminals, the same
> system seems totally stagnant. It is often too late
> and too little.
>
> Far more Muslims (in one particular incident Sikhs
> also) have died,
> and untold numbers of girls and women have been
> brutally raped in
> numerous Indian riots. Just check the following
> statistics of few
> riots of last two decades:
>
> 1984 Riots Against Sikhs: The riots, in which more
> than 3,000 Sikhs
> died, were sparked by the assassination of then
> Prime Minister Indira
> Gandhi by Sikh bodyguards on 31 October, 1984. In
> many cases whole
> group of Sikhs were surrounded and hacked to death.
> How many Hindus
> were arrested and tried? You guess.
>
> 1992 Bombay Riot: First the right-wing Hindu
> terrorists led by BJP,
> Shiv Sena, RSS and other fascist groups demolished
> the Babri mosque
> in Ayodhya. Approximately 1,000 people died and
> countless number of
> girls and women were raped in the violence triggered
> by the
> demolition. The vast majority of the dead and almost
> all the rape
> victims were Muslims. Muslim women were made to run
> naked in Surat.
> Muslim women were packed in the in the floodlit
> stadium in Gujarat
> where they were raped by the masked right-wing
> Hindus and the whole
> ugly incident was videotaped by Sang Parivar for
> private
> distribution. How many Hindus were arrested and
> tried? You guess.
>
> 2002 Gujarat Riot: First is the controversial train
> fire allegedly by
> a Muslim mob that killed 58 Hindus. Judiciary
> inquiries by the
> Federal Indian government found that the fire
> started inside the
> train, was not set by the mobs from outside. But the
> murders and
> rapes of the Muslims that followed this incident
> prove only one thing
> that the reactions of the right-wing Hindus were not
> spontaneous, it
> was carefully pre-planned waiting for an excuse for
> execution. Nobody
> knows how many thousands of women were raped. Most
> were burned to
> death after the rapes to destroy the evidence. There
> are pictures of
> makeshift Hindu temples in the burnt out and
> destroyed Mosques. The
> whole incident was very shameful for the whole
> humanity. Once again
> the so-called civilized world totally ignored the
> plight of some poor
> Muslims in India. Even a police officer recently
> said the Gujarat's
> Hindu government under Narendra Modi had authorized
> the killing of
> Muslims after the riots.
>
> We cannot say the Indian government did nothing.
> They form Judicial
> Commissions after every riot. Subsequent reports
> find "Police
> officers are partisan and anti-Muslim, politicians
> are
> complicit." "We have orders not to save you" was the
> reply of many
> police officials to the Muslim victims of Gujarat
> riot. Independent
> research has shown that riots in India usually
> happen with the
> complicity of police who either covertly participate
> or turn a blind
> eye to the violence. The fallout from the 1984
> anti-Sikh riots and
> the 1992 Mumbai riots prove this point. The
> governments failed to
> take any action against them. That's it.
>
> The following describes just two incidents that are
> not even 1% of
> what happened to the Muslims in Gujarat, but this
> will give us some
> graphic idea. This will tell us what right-wing
> Hinduism stands for.
> Tribune India online edition December 1, 2002
> edition:
>
(http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20021201/herworld.htm)
>
> One instance in Naroda Patiya, the victims ran to
> the SRP (Special
> Reserve Police) post nearby for shelter. The police
> said they had no
> orders from above to save them, and told them to 'go
> die elsewhere'.
> But one kind officer told them to stay. Sometime
> later, Bhavani Singh
> came and told them he would give them some food. The
> group trusted
> Bhavani because some of them had known him for at
> least 30 years.
> They were also hungry. "All of us went with him. He
> told his son to
> get something for us. He returned with a mob. There
> was no escape. I
> could not save my wife, my oldest son and my
> beautiful, young
>
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